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Converting total heat in mechanical work, is currently regarded as a utopia.
I have a theory that demonstrates that this is possible.
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All the best. Personally i dont believe this but i can always be wrong.

A theory cannot demonstrate anything unless it is proved right in the first place either by experiment or if it is derived from some other proved theory or principle.

It should be able to explain all known phenomena which are related and also predict something more which can be verified by expt, or should explain something which the earlier theory could not.

As one scientist put it, unless there is proof all theories are mere stories.

So why dont you share it if you so wish?
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I don't think any theory can demonstrate something.
It seems that your theory goes against the Second Law of thermodynamics for macroscopic systems.
I, as an aspirant physicist, do not trust this.
In order for someone to believe you, I think you should show us your theory.
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My theory proves that Principle II thermodynamic is a sophism (a ratiomament properly built on a false premise). Premise false is Carnot cycle.Study course I did a modified Carnot cycle that we've managed to get rid of compression.This cycle us much higher Carnot Cycle but has the advantage that offers the possibility of regeneration heat residual.One thermodynamic system based on the recuperative cycle, Theoretic can convert all the heat in mechanical work.
Because they are in session, we need time. Be patient. George.
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Communication is our language barrier.Understanding is just good.
In my study I have used theories and principles tested and validated.New be just how we can conected. Not present the whole theory;make pieces.

Uniting laws gas mixture:

To the mixture of gases we have two laws:
1.Dalton’s law
The statement that the total pressure of a mixture of gases is equal to the sum of the partial pressures of the individual component gases. The partial pressure is the pressure that each gas would exert if it alone occupied the volume of the mixture at the same temperature.
Mathematically, the pressure of a mixture of gases can be defined as the summation
Ptotal=p1+p2+…+pn
2.Amagat's law of additive volumes
The volume of a gas mixture is equal to the sum of the volumes of all constituents at the same temperature and pressure as the mixture.
Vtotal=v1v2+…+vn
These two laws have a single statement:
PVtotal=p1v1+p2v2+…+pnvn
Ptotal=p1=p2=…=pn => Vtotal=v1+v2+…+vn
Vtotal=v1=v2=…=vn => Ptotal=p1+p2+…+pn
Dalton's law and Amagat's law refers to mixtures formed.
General law applies to the mixture before the formation, when the state sizes (P, V, T) are totally different
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Joule's Law
Joule's law state that the internal energy (U)of a perfect gas is a function of the temperature only, i.e.
U= f(T)
-valabiula this law is a closed system (do not change the substance of medium)
U=5/2vRT (5/2=gas biatomic)
finding:
-for an open system (with medium change substance):
U=5/2PV

P=constant,uniform => U=f(V), T.

V= constant,uniform => U=f(P) , T.

-in a system with phase change.
P = constant; t = constant. => U = f (Q)
Q = quantity of heat

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Sorry george but your comments are incoherent. You're not making sense.
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Why do not you understand?
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U = internal energy, V = volume, P = pressure
In a mixture of gases, internal energy is equal to the sum of internal energy components.
Utotal=U1+U2+…+Un ; U=i/2 PV => i/2PtotalVtotal=i/2P1V1+ i/2P2V2+….+ i/2PnVn; simplified
=> PtotalVtotal =P1V1+P2V2+….+PnVn (general equation)
If Vtotal=V1+V2+…+Vn => Ptotal =P1+P2+….+Pn(Dalton’s law)
If Ptotal=P1+P2+…+Pn => Vtotal =V1+V2+….+Vn(Amagat's law)
The general equation we can find out what will work volume mixture of several gases give them impose pressure or that pressure you will have them mixed in a known volume.
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Why do not you understand?
I didn't say I don't understand it. I said your comments are incoherent. By that I meant that they aren't put together logically. Let me explain. You wrote
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My theory proves that Principle II thermodynamic is a sophism ..
The term sophism is defined as follows
sophism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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an argument apparently correct in form but actually invalid ; especially : such an argument used to deceive
The second law of thermodynamics is not an argument. It is a law of physics, aka axiom, aka postulate. Therefore your assertion has no meaning. You assert that it is based on a false premise where in fact it is itself a basic premise, i.e. one which cannot be derived from any other premise. One that is taken as true.

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Premise false is Carnot cycle.
The Carnot cylce cannot be considered a premise. It is a (thermodynamic) process. It can therefore not be referred to as a premise.

Beyond that I have seen nothing in your posts to support your original assertion. Everything else is merely a list of facts.

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I have a study that is based on a thermodynamic cycle that does not require compresie.Aduna advantages Carnot engine, the steam engine and the Stirling engine.With this cycle, all that denies the principle II, becomes possible.
Has offered the use of heat environment.If you wish, discuss my ideas, one by one.Uniting laws gas mixture,do you understand?
Pmb,good note, you are brave!
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I have a study that is based on a thermodynamic cycle that does not require compresie.

Please describe this cycle.
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Aduna advantages Carnot engine, the steam engine and the Stirling engine.
What does Aduna mean?
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With this cycle, all that denies the principle II, becomes possible.


Has offered the use of heat environment.If you wish, discuss my ideas, one by one.Uniting laws gas mixture,do you understand?
I have no personal interest in this. However this is a help forum so if you'd like to bounce your ideas of someone and get some constructive feedback then I'd be more than happy to help in anyway that I can.
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Keep in mind that know no English.
I had suspected that. I'm patient so if you don't mind me asking you questions when I don't understand your english then I'm here for your sounding board.

It is my belief that in the long run the second postulate is something that can only be verified by experiment.

Good luck

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I'm still waiting for the experience going against the Second's Law of Thermodynamics. That is, your experience converting "total heat in mechanical work".
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"Aduna advantages Carnot engine, the steam engine and the Stirling engine."
Aduna= +;( advantages Carnot engine+ avantages steam engine+avantages Stirling engine):
-advantages Carnot engine=converts the total heat taken from the hot source;
-avantages steam engine=does not require compression;
-avantages Stirling engine=regenerated residual heat.
I attached the document which certifies the validation cycle in the case.
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"Aduna advantages Carnot engine, the steam engine and the Stirling engine."
Sorry but that doesn't tell me what the word "Aduna" means.
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I attached the document which certifies the validation cycle in the case.

I only read english and that paper is not in english.
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Sorry but that doesn't tell me what the word "Aduna" means.
I understand "Aduna" as a way to improve the Carnot, Stirling, etc engine. I do not understand Romanian but it seems that the paper doesn't seem related to Thermodynamics, but rather it seems related to a verbal trial, police, etc.
Of course I might be wrong. (but knowing French and Spanish with a little bit of Italian really helps).
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"Aduna"means add;total;sum;reap...
MASTER SA is research institute thermal engines.
At the request of the Ministry of Economy and Commerce, Industrial Policy direction, the opinion analyzes the exposure presented by George Manolache
-exposure refers to a thermal machine which the author has called a monoterm engyne;
-............
-thermal machine is meant for use of renewable energies.
The discussion was conducted around the principle of operation of the machine and around a concrete solutions.
Following these discussions have resulted following observations:
-The proposed system operates in accordance with thermodynamic principles;
-required a clear delineation by a technical solution proposed and the exact definition of the purpose penteu which was designed;
-is necessary to deepen the constructive concept that will lead to an eventual patent that could be the basis of developments to practical application.

This translation is approximate. george











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Humanity has two major problems, energy crisis and global warming. My engine is the solution. You looked like a refrigerator producing machine work. There is a simple invention;a new principle is able to trigger a new industrial revolution. First having the courage to listen, it will be winner. Physics is the present and beyond known and accepted. In this case ignorance of what I see is crime against all. Simply, it is only a matter of intellectual potency. I know what I mean! george
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Humanity has two major problems, energy crisis and global warming.
I don't think so. There are many other problems bigger than energy crisis, in my opinion.

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There is a simple invention;a new principle is able to trigger a new industrial revolution.
If you've discovered a principle, it is by no mean new. It was there when you weren't born even though nobody knew about it. Also, the principle has to be somewhat respectful to the second's law of thermodynamics.
Until now we've seen the Second's law of Thermodynamics "failed" for very special systems, but only for about 2 seconds and then globally as the entropy of the system increased, the Second's Law still hold.
I said "failed" and not failed because the Second's law states that the entropy of a system tends to increase, not that it increases at any moment. So it don't really fails anyway.



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I know what I mean! george
Until now you're the only one I think. Could you post your complete theory/proof of the "new principle" you've discovered? So that we can say whether it makes sense or not.
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Hypothesis:
-1. we provide a source perfect gas, compressed, cold temperature sorsi (150k)
-2.surce warm environment (300k).


In a thermodynamic process, compressed gas abide by the following transformations:
-12. heating isobar;

-23.isothermal relaxation;
-34.adiabatic relaxation.
In this process, all heat received from hot source is converted in mechanical work.
As the source is warm environment, resulting from friction heat can not be transferred outside.
Now the whole issue is all just to bring gas from 34.in position 12.

This is my secret theory would imagine it's possible to achieve without energy consumption.
It is a complicated job with a simple resolution.
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